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Post by Angmar on Feb 8, 2009 5:54:17 GMT
Take the remains & put them in a file called Scraps. They won't be deleted & gone forever, so you can still take bits & use them as needed. Khazar, Elfhild and I have a file like that, except it is called "Circles Unused Segments." We have several files and folders of unused material dating back to 2004. We did a massive narrative in great detail about the Witch-king's early life in Numenor. It is in the "vaults" for safekeeping. *grins* The term "Segments" is an in-house joke refering to some former players who copied part of Second Darkness and put it on their website. It was their own writing (except for a few original SD parts, which they later edited out), but they were trying to do an unauthorized spin off on the original roleplay. They called it "Segments of Second Darkness." *laughs*
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Post by khazarkhum on Feb 8, 2009 8:08:45 GMT
If you already have a scrap heap (mine is big enough for at least a book) then the next best thing is to forget the remains & go to the next chapter. If someone is confused you can fetch something from the heap & fix it in the next chapter.
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Post by Agan on Feb 8, 2009 14:22:04 GMT
We did a massive narrative in great detail about the Witch-king's early life in Numenor. It is in the "vaults" for safekeeping. *grins* That is something I would sell my soul to read... For how long are you planning to keep it hidden?
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Post by Angmar on Feb 9, 2009 6:27:56 GMT
Agan, much of this early material is in the roughest form, unedited and not spell checked. Tonight I decided to open the old vaults and reveal some of the earliest writings. Rummaging around through the shelves, I first came upon a long account of the young and bitter future king's journey to Andustar. It is in the new thread in Comment Upon the Story. In all, there are about 60 chapters, many of which are memoirs. Do not consider any of this as being finished. For one thing, I was never satisfied with my version of the Witch-king's ancestry. His personality, yes, but family ties, hmmmm, still up in the air.
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Post by Agan on Feb 9, 2009 20:31:57 GMT
Wow - but it is quite good. At least it seems so to me. Curious to imagine the WK drinking with Elendil's ancestors and then envying the shepherds of Emerie... Thank you for posting this, Angmar. Will there be more? I believe this spectral crown visible on Aran Morgul's head in the Spirit World should not be discounted. One way or another he had the right to be King. If you don't want to follow Isilmo theory or Ciryatan-Atanamir theory, my advice is to place him in the line of Malantur, grandson of Tar-Elendil's younger brother EƤrendur. You can find the genealogical table presented as a drawing in UT (p.210 in my edition ). This line seems appropriate because the direct descendants of Malantur would be the rightful Kings under the Old law, so recklessly changed by Tar-Aldarion to favor his daughter. Malantur, dispossessed by the New Law was 30 years Aldarion's senior, born in SA 670. By the time of the distribution of the Rings (1700-1800), 6 generations of Numenoreans later, there still would be a great-great-... grandson of Malantur who had the right to be King. However their claim would be all but forgotten and they would only have a standing as distant cousins of the Kings - quite likely to marry a King's granddaughter.
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Post by Elfhild on Feb 10, 2009 2:03:26 GMT
Agan, since this sounds like a good topic for Nazgul Scholars, I have copied your post and posted it in that forum as well.
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Post by Angmar on Feb 10, 2009 5:57:11 GMT
Wow - but it is quite good. At least it seems so to me. Curious to imagine the WK drinking with Elendil's ancestors and then envying the shepherds of Emerie... Agan, while it might be conjectured from this selection that the young Witch-king was a far more democratic sort than history leads us to believe, that was not quite the case. He was bored at court, but more than anything, he did not want to marry the king's granddaughter, his cousin. (Impetious rash youth. ;D ) I hesitate to post too much more. A number of chapters are devoted to his journey across Numenor, including an experience that would have lasting consequences for him. Whenever Elfhild and I get to the King's memoirs, I plan to include this same theme in a greatly revised version. I will post some in the future, but don't want to give away major spoilers. ;D
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Post by Elfhild on Feb 15, 2009 7:28:56 GMT
Chapter 12 of Book Two has just been added to Henneth Annun and LOTRFF.
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Post by Agan on Feb 15, 2009 8:29:50 GMT
Agan, while it might be conjectured from this selection that the young Witch-king was a far more democratic sort than history leads us to believe, that was not quite the case. He was bored at court, but more than anything, he did not want to marry the king's granddaughter, his cousin. (Impetious rash youth. ;D ) Perhaps he didn't want to marry her because she was not the ELDEST? ;D If she was to become Ruling Queen one day, she would have seemed much more attrctive. BTW, which King do you mean? Minastir? And whose sister this "king's granddaughter" was supposed to be - Atanamir's? I hesitate to post too much more. A number of chapters are devoted to his journey across Numenor, including an experience that would have lasting consequences for him. Whenever Elfhild and I get to the King's memoirs, I plan to include this same theme in a greatly revised version. I will post some in the future, but don't want to give away major spoilers. ;D I understand. Thank you again for posting what you have, Angmar.
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Post by khazarkhum on Feb 16, 2009 4:03:47 GMT
Wow - but it is quite good. At least it seems so to me. Curious to imagine the WK drinking with Elendil's ancestors and then envying the shepherds of Emerie... Nothing really curious about it. History abounds with eclogues & other pastorals. "The Passionate Shepherd to His Love" was not written by a shepherd, after all! There's all kinds of ways to do that without inheriting. I believe he was ordered off Numenor because he was attracting too much attention & power. By sending him off to civilize the world the King & council no doubt figured they'd just washed their hands of a real problem.
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